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Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

Although some of the newspaper articles say that Bryan and Cecelia were hog-tied, I never got that impression from Byran's accounts of the attack. What are your thoughts?

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

I've gone through the police report again. I found a dialogue that is related by Bryan between Cecelia, Bryan and Zodiac. http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport26.htmlIt continues on the following page...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

From Wikipedia:Minus the "handle", this is what a traditional "hogtie" would look like afaik.

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Excellent topic by the way Tracers!

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

I do believe though that the rope would go around one's neck. I just believe if they were hogtied in the traditional sense of the word, they would not have been able to escape the clothes line. And in...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

Ah Wood, nothing like a little bondage with the morning coffee! I think if Cecelia and Bryan were hog-tied it would have been in the manner detailed in the first description of my post above not the...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

The term hog tied is used for a number of methods not just one or two. There are modifications.It is bascially tying the hands and the feet separately and connecting them with a rope joined to the...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

I just wonder how if their hands were tied and their ankles were tied and Bryan and Ceceila were tied together, how they were able to manuever around enough to get loose. ? I think they could be seen...

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My apologizes for the aforementioned posted photo!

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Interesting all the clothesline he brought with them to tie-up his victims. Sure sounds like the plan was to attack more than one person. I wonder how long he looked for a couple. ?Yea, thats what I...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

I don't think Cecelia and Bryan were tied together? When Bryan said that the zodiac ""strung a rope between our ankles in the rear" " he meant that Zodiac strung a...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

The photo of the officers displaying the rope is kind of fuzzy, but it doesn't look like they're wearing gloves. And at that point in time, why would they? If they couldn't get fingerprints from it,...

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Testing the ropes would at least provide hope that touch DNA can be obtained from the Zodiac evidence. Even if they could only find Ken Narlow or another officer's DNA, it would be something. Zodiac...

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The reports are clear. Z had CS tie BH's hands first. Then Z tied her 'very tightly.' Upon checking BH's bindings Z found the 'loose knots' and 'tightened them very securely.'Then on their stomachs...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

Howard I have read the accounts by Bryan in the various reports, there is one where he says they were "tied and hog-tied".http://www.zodiackiller.comLBReport27.htmlI guess what I...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

maybe he tied the hands, then the feet and then tied the hands and feet together in such a way that the legs were not forced to bend up?

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One report states,"Suspect then turned to the female victim and began stabbing her in the back approximately 3 times and then somehow the female victim was turned over,and she was again...

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Re: Were Bryan and Cecelia Hog-Tied?

Thank you Howard. The detail about Cecelia being stabbed "once in each breast, once in the groin and once in the abdomen forming the pattern of a cross" was in the Sept. 30, 1969...

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SG,BH had read that too,but since he saw her moving frantically about with Z trying to control her he thought any kind of a knife pattern cross or otherwise was impossible.

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Not understanding correctly. Z turned CS over to stab her in the front or she turned over herself while writhing and screaming? I thought BH just laid flat and played dead to keep from being stabbed...

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